> anyone using OS X have any thoughts on this? In /Applications/Utilities is something called Console.app. Double click this for your std console. G -- "If you were plowing a field, which would you rather use? Two strong oxen or 1024 chickens?" -- Seymour Cray (1925-1996) -- ____________________________________ pygame mailing list pygame-users@seul.org http://pygame.seul.org